The Jewish wunderkind of German politics / Marina Weisband, the most popular face of the up-and-coming Pirate Party, talks about the movementís alleged neo-Nazi problem (TIMES OF ISRAEL) By RAPHAEL AHREN 05/02/12)
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Marina Weisband, the most popular face of the up-and-coming Pirate
Party, talks about the movementís alleged neo-Nazi problem, its views
on Israel and Iran, and the occasional anti-Semitic hate mail
The Pirate Party movement has gone global, with official chapters
from Bosnia to Bolivia. A product of the Internet era for young
people disenchanted with traditional politics, the partiesí positions
are not entirely clear but generally demand more direct democracy, a
reform of copyright and patent laws, freedom of information, and
In Germany, the Pirate Party is especially successful; members are
already represented in two state parliaments. According to recent
polls, the Pirates would gain between 10% and 13% in the next German
elections ó an incredible result, especially when one compares it to
the 35% that Chancellor Angela Merkelís party is expected to get.
The Piratenparteiís most prominent face is Marina Weisband, 25. She
was born in Kiev and like tens of thousands of other Russian-speaking
Jews, immigrated to Germany in the 1990s. Although Weisband decided
this weekend not run for a second term as political director, she is
still the German mediaís go-to person for all things Pirate Party.
In recent days, Weisband ó who doesnít keep kosher but goes to
synagogue almost every Friday night ó was interviewed by countless
German media outlets. Excited about a party that promises to shake up
the countryís political landscape, they all wanted to hear what she
has to say about what observers dubbed the partyís ďneo-Nazi
problem.Ē Over the last few weeks, some members have caused several
scandals with controversial statements.
Party member Bodo Thiesen, for example, is said to have repeatedly
denied the Holocaust and blamed Poland for World War II, and party
official Kevin Barth tweeted that he generally finds
Jews ďunlikable.Ē There were other similar cases, leading the head of
the partyís Berlin chapter, Hartmut Semken, to lament that he canít
bear any more calls for the party to distance itself from such views.
Eloquent and highly photogenic, Weisband has temporarily withdrawn
from the public stage to finish her psychology degree. Yet she
promised to remain an active party member and said she might consider
running for a seat in the Bundestag during the 2013 national
The Times of Israel: How big is the Pirate Partyís neo-Nazi problem?
Marina Weisband: There is none. We have about four or five people
with extreme right-wing views, who express their ideas within the
party. Thatís not a lot among 23,000 members. The bigger problem in
my eyes is that some Pirates ó itís just a minority but still ó say
these ideas are covered by the freedom of opinion, that such people
should be allowed to speak their minds freely. Thatís the problem
weíre having, although the majority of the party is on my side, which
is that freedom of opinion is something the state has to guarantee
but not every individual party. We need to exclude these people from
the party as far as that is legally possible. Wherever itís not
legally possible, we need to isolate them.
Are they really just a handful? The topics dominates press coverage,
the papers lists numerous cases of rather dubious statements.
Weíre an up-and-coming party and people are trying to look for our
weaknesses. One has to know that in our party, every member is
allowed to express himself publicly. As soon as one member says
something [controversial] it creates a lot of indignation. If enough
people are outraged, the press starts taking notice and blows such
stories out of proportion. In recent months some people made
[negative] headlines, but thatís of course out of all proportion. If
the opinion of every single member would get as much attention, the
picture would relativize itself automatically.
Itís really just a few people. The actual problem is that they arenít
sufficiently excluded, that they are not being fought strongly enough
politically. Thatís also something that weíre making efforts to
advance. It really needs to be said that in the history of German
political parties weíre probably the party with the smallest Nazi
problem. If you look at the Greens, when they were founded they had
an incredible amount of former SS members. We also have our fair
share of idiots, and in my opinion we have to oppose them assertively.
What about party official Martin Delius? He likened the Piratesí
quick rise in popularity to Hitlerís National Socialist Party between
1928 and 1933. He didnít make any comparisons regarding the partiesí
platforms but he still drew the ire of many outside observers and
Those who are now taking advantage of this are simply engaging in a
power struggle. Of course the comparison was really stupid. But
regarding the content it was absolutely harmless. He might as well
have said that weíre using pants just like the Nazi party did, or
that we have belly buttons just like the Nazis did. While it was
foolish I cannot suspect him of having neo-Nazi attitudes. He himself
was active in the Antifa [a leftist group fighting neo-Nazism and
I know him well. On Holocaust Remembrance Day we were together in
Berlin ó it was a foolish slip for which he immediately apologized
and consequently withdrew his candidacy for the federal board. In my
eyes thatís a poised way to deal with a mistake.
Do the Pirates have a foreign policy? How do you see Germanyís
relationship with Israel?
We have not yet voted on the foreign policy part of our party
platform. Thatís scheduled for November. The reason for that is that
we started working politically only two years ago and we can only
afford one party convention per year. We need a little bit of time
for that. Of course there are already discussions about this topic:
in general, weíre critical of interventionism. We promote the
founding of a Pirate Party in Israel in order to be able to work
closely together with them.
The Pirates are an international movement thatís represented in 50
countries by now. Itís always easier to talk about foreign policy
when there are local people who understand the situation there and
know the needs of the populationÖ Most party members advocate for a
policy of peace [in the Middle East]. However, we do not have
concrete positions regarding how Germany should act in the Middle
East conflict. We are certainly not going to take a stand on one
particular side. Rather, we say that we need to try somehow to
establish borders and find a common solution. Thatís the tenor of the
Israelís current policies regarding the expansion of West Bank
settlements is criticized by leaders from all major German parties.
Also by leading Pirates?
Members of the Pirate Party differ immensely from one another
regarding their opinions. One person, whom we needed to throw out of
the party, was in favor of nuking Iran. We needed to let him go
because we said thatís not a demand that the Pirate Party would
support like that. There are also many critics of Israelís policies,
especially regarding the settlements. They say that we need
established borders so that both populations can live in peace. But
again, I can only present concrete positions regarding this topic in
You have yet to formulate clear foreign policy guidelines but are
already against an attack on Iran?
Exactly. The Pirate Party conducted a survey to establish an opinion,
which was critical of interventions. We do make exceptions [in
certain cases] but we view a preemptive strike as not useful. We
support any civil means to prevent a build-up of arms.
After your meteoric rise in popularity a few months ago you received
anti-Semitic hate mail. Is that still the case?
It did become quieter. I donít notice them anymore. But I do need to
say that I now have an assistant who reads my emails and I donít know
how many he filters out. It was only a few isolated cases. I need to
say that even with the open way in which I deal with my faith Iím
able to lead a very quiet live in Germany.
Have you ever been to Israel?
Not yet. This spring I finally wanted to visit, but the work I do for
the party destroyed my plans. My mother also keeps on raving about
Israel and wants to send me there all the time. (© 2012 THE TIMES OF
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